WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.640 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: This meeting is being recorded. 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:10.230 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: This is Sunday, March seventeenth, 2024, and we're together in the 3 00:00:11.090 --> 00:00:18.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: continuing on momentum building practice sessions from goddess breath, session, or course. 4 00:00:18.680 --> 00:00:24.000 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and in preparation for moving into goddess breath, too. 5 00:00:24.790 --> 00:00:26.419 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: some point in June. 6 00:00:28.610 --> 00:00:29.710 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So 7 00:00:30.310 --> 00:00:42.309 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: shall we do some practices, or or do you want to do a little sharing or checking in first? What's your what's your desire? 8 00:00:42.980 --> 00:00:44.380 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Well, the 9 00:00:44.940 --> 00:00:50.510 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: core practices that we've been doing will carry on, and the 10 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.140 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: ones that were supplemental are optional. 11 00:00:54.630 --> 00:00:58.980 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and there will be a couple of more 12 00:00:59.300 --> 00:01:03.550 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: permutations on the 13 00:01:03.940 --> 00:01:15.739 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the the fundamental breathing practice and the the one that jumps immediately to mind is 14 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:21.859 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: exhaling produce. QUDD, US. Which is. 15 00:01:23.020 --> 00:01:36.850 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it's often translated in English as holy or sacred. and it's in a sense of removing a clearing out of the way, a letting go of everything that is transient 16 00:01:37.010 --> 00:01:43.790 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and changeable. so that what's left is what is permanent. 17 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:46.639 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 18 00:01:49.180 --> 00:02:00.030 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: one of the root meanings. One of the meanings of the root that produce comes from has to do with going home to one's village or going to one's home village. 19 00:02:00.110 --> 00:02:13.650 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: returning to one's village. So the way while Eiley put it together, he he linked that with that on the exhale to just let go of everything that we're done with. Everything that we realize doesn't serve us, everything that is temporary. 20 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:20.870 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then hang out for as long as is comfortable at the end of the exhalation, and that's still a point. 21 00:02:21.290 --> 00:02:27.230 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then, when we need to inhale, we we draw in from all around us with with Yajamia. 22 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.859 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: which is the gathering, the drawing together. 23 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:34.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And the idea is, we are. 24 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:43.480 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: There's this Sufi proverb, or or saying to die before ding or die before death. 25 00:02:45.070 --> 00:02:46.229 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And it's 26 00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:50.639 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: basically to let go of 27 00:02:50.940 --> 00:02:52.469 what we're done with. 28 00:02:53.220 --> 00:02:56.380 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And on the inhalation we're reborn. 29 00:02:57.530 --> 00:03:08.370 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So with that gathering in from one angle. We're reconstituting who we are in this moment drawing whatever qualities we want to draw right out of the space. 30 00:03:08.870 --> 00:03:17.810 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then spend a little bit of time at that still point at the top of the inhale with that full, full breath. 31 00:03:17.860 --> 00:03:22.469 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And then let's go again. So it's just this, this constant, really. 32 00:03:22.980 --> 00:03:32.749 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: really focusing on the possibility to let go on the exhalation and to draw what's needed on the inhalation. 33 00:03:33.690 --> 00:03:46.539 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then not to hang on to that very strongly, either, because there's another moment. So we let go of everything again and redraw what we need out of the space around us. 34 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:49.420 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 35 00:03:50.730 --> 00:03:52.000 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, I, 36 00:03:52.830 --> 00:03:54.210 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, go ahead. 37 00:03:54.880 --> 00:03:59.870 Leslie Roche: Sounds like a being present and creative and impermanent. 38 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.909 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yes. yeah. yeah. Yeah. 39 00:04:04.170 --> 00:04:08.519 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And there's there's a couple of other paired 40 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:10.460 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: names. 41 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:18.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But the the fundamental practice that's being introduced in the course is the one called Mujahida 42 00:04:20.980 --> 00:04:32.069 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and everything that we've done in one has built up to the more experience we have with that gentle way of watching the breath and the gentle way of 43 00:04:32.090 --> 00:04:35.140 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that rakib space, of of 44 00:04:36.470 --> 00:04:41.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: of observing, without a particular agenda, or without 45 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.049 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: kind of leaning on an outcome. 46 00:04:44.690 --> 00:04:50.309 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Then we begin with the Mujahida practice. We begin to just focus on the heart. 47 00:04:51.170 --> 00:04:55.480 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and being aware of whatever impressions arise. 48 00:04:57.660 --> 00:05:01.829 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and if they're challenging ones. 49 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:04.239 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: we seek to 50 00:05:04.540 --> 00:05:09.160 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: smooth them out, either polish them away, let go of them. 51 00:05:09.670 --> 00:05:20.139 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: holding the whole thing in in love without judgment or criticism. and just basically looking at who we are, what we're holding. 52 00:05:20.210 --> 00:05:22.140 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: If 53 00:05:22.410 --> 00:05:30.910 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: if there's an impression of of challenge, of difficulty we've had with somebody else or somebody's behavior bothers us 54 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.480 to begin to lovingly ask, Okay. 55 00:05:33.510 --> 00:05:39.359 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: where is the seed of that behavior in me so that I can clear that. 56 00:05:39.810 --> 00:05:48.699 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So it's it's it's a deeper and more concentrated clearing and clearing and clearing the heart. 57 00:05:50.640 --> 00:05:51.800 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 58 00:05:54.680 --> 00:06:10.130 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: then that ultimately, if people go on to a third becomes the preparation for taking the viewpoint that we are the totality and everything that's happening in the world is happening within the sphere of our own heart. 59 00:06:10.810 --> 00:06:18.920 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And one way of saying that is is that we're basically stepping up into that God perspective the Allah perspective divine mother perspective. 60 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.840 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: holding it all in the sphere of heart. 61 00:06:22.140 --> 00:06:32.059 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: lovingly, protectively, but not leaning on it, not not leaning towards an outcome, but just having that vast fast perspective. 62 00:06:34.700 --> 00:06:40.250 Leslie Roche: And does that go with different lessons? That 63 00:06:40.590 --> 00:06:54.729 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. So they're of the original 10. The first course took the first 4. This one will take the next 3, 5, 6, and 7. There will be a little bit to some readings, and it'll be the same format as as the other. Some readings 64 00:06:54.970 --> 00:06:56.760 and 65 00:06:57.080 --> 00:07:03.369 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: some some specific practices in the same way, as well as the supplementals that become optional. 66 00:07:03.880 --> 00:07:11.369 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and the third course is the final final 3, 8, 9, attempt 67 00:07:11.710 --> 00:07:15.670 Leslie Roche: cool. 68 00:07:16.650 --> 00:07:18.949 Leslie Roche: And I noticed that we 69 00:07:19.110 --> 00:07:22.579 Leslie Roche: skip some of the things in lessons one through 4. 70 00:07:23.670 --> 00:07:30.240 Leslie Roche: Are we going to? If I find something interesting in those lessons. Can I ask you to 71 00:07:30.930 --> 00:07:34.820 Leslie Roche: go over there? Sure. Okay. 72 00:07:34.990 --> 00:07:42.429 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. I mean, as we had a meeting of all of the mentors 73 00:07:42.490 --> 00:07:44.960 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: last Wednesday, which 74 00:07:46.050 --> 00:07:49.179 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: was great. And we've got one 75 00:07:50.670 --> 00:07:57.540 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: absolutely amazing woman called Amrita in Australia. And of course, with Australia being. 76 00:07:59.150 --> 00:08:00.070 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it's 77 00:08:01.340 --> 00:08:04.669 13 and a half hours later than California. 78 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:16.219 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So Abraham sent out a poll to everybody, and suggested a couple of days and times, and then then the day that the most people could make was was Wednesday, yet 79 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:31.010 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I think it was 90'clock here in California. It was 4 30 in the morning for Rita. But she was there, I mean she's such a trooper. So it was so wonderful to have all of us together. 80 00:08:31.420 --> 00:08:42.629 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and just sharing about what the year had been like. moving through the material working with the people, and everybody had really really good things to say about how their their wheels went 81 00:08:42.650 --> 00:08:47.530 was only one woman who had had only had 3 people. 82 00:08:48.680 --> 00:08:49.850 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 83 00:08:50.320 --> 00:09:02.490 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it kind of fell apart. She wanted to do it in person, and you know 2 people had things in their life where they just had to stop. So she was just with one person, and then he was ill. 84 00:09:02.980 --> 00:09:05.819 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and she's gonna start again 85 00:09:06.280 --> 00:09:13.799 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and and go to a zoom format to have a larger population of people, because there's almost always attrition. 86 00:09:15.540 --> 00:09:20.000 Leslie Roche: Yeah, we did. We did. 87 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:25.360 Leslie Roche: So I think wheels can be combined a little bit, so that there's more people or 88 00:09:25.590 --> 00:09:30.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it, I think what will. Actually. 89 00:09:32.620 --> 00:09:37.169 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yes, we'll add, well, hopefully, we'll add some people to it. 90 00:09:40.460 --> 00:09:50.309 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: 7 to 10, maybe even 12. It just depends on what capacity the mentor feels to be able to hold. 91 00:09:50.710 --> 00:09:54.070 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And then the other practical thing is for sharing time. 92 00:09:55.600 --> 00:10:03.459 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: The more people you have the less time each each individual gets. Halima and Abraham, and in in Boston 93 00:10:03.640 --> 00:10:15.450 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: were working just with their own initiated students, and they had 20, I think, or 22, and not everybody attended each time. 94 00:10:15.530 --> 00:10:22.209 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But they said, while it was great to be able to, you know, sit in circle with with all of the people they were working with. 95 00:10:22.460 --> 00:10:30.530 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It was a large number of people to try and have more than a minute's worth of sharing for everybody who just 96 00:10:30.690 --> 00:10:36.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: very big at all. But the where I was going with all of this was that. 97 00:10:36.210 --> 00:10:47.469 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and it was something that that Halima pointed out back before we started in the the reconfiguration and planning and and 98 00:10:47.790 --> 00:10:54.349 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: time reorganization coming up to when we did launch in January, February, and March last year. 99 00:10:54.830 --> 00:10:59.940 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: which is that original in-person class met all day 100 00:11:00.050 --> 00:11:08.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: on a Saturday. So they had the morning and the afternoon and the evening session, and we're meeting for 90 min. 101 00:11:09.290 --> 00:11:19.599 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So there's no way you can squeeze an entire day's worth of teaching and commentary and sharing and practicing. 102 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:28.139 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Plus yeah. And as you know, you see in in the videos that he was doing a lot of stuff. 103 00:11:28.920 --> 00:11:32.400 Leslie Roche: Yeah. But it's like 3 sessions. 104 00:11:32.640 --> 00:11:36.639 Leslie Roche: We do it for a year instead of and one 105 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:41.559 Leslie Roche: one. So 3 times 4 is 12. So it's the almost equivalent. 106 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:56.320 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: okay, okay, I. So I see what you're saying, spending 3 times 3 times with each, except that we're just doing lessons, one through 4. 107 00:11:56.900 --> 00:12:07.980 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. But see, anyway, with with with each time they kind of look at it. They have. Yeah, you have a whole day. It is Richard Cuz. It builds on it, though. Yeah. Yeah. And he was. 108 00:12:08.260 --> 00:12:11.930 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: He was a master of reading. The energy in the room. 109 00:12:13.490 --> 00:12:20.409 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and the moment he felt that people had sat had had been sitting too long. 110 00:12:20.890 --> 00:12:23.679 Okay, let's get up and do a dance or a walk. Now. 111 00:12:23.890 --> 00:12:24.760 Leslie Roche: yeah. 112 00:12:25.400 --> 00:12:27.660 Leslie Roche: yeah, I think that's a big difference. 113 00:12:27.830 --> 00:12:30.780 Leslie Roche: that there is a great there to 114 00:12:30.810 --> 00:12:32.450 Leslie Roche: to feel and to 115 00:12:32.540 --> 00:12:43.330 Leslie Roche: move. But I'm wondering if you brainstormed ways that you could create that energy a little bit more. 116 00:12:43.500 --> 00:12:50.009 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I've thought about it 117 00:12:50.630 --> 00:12:56.059 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: a variety of times, and where I am now is. I'm in my bedroom. 118 00:12:58.640 --> 00:13:02.469 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I can lean forward and touch the corner of my bed 119 00:13:03.180 --> 00:13:06.510 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so 120 00:13:07.260 --> 00:13:11.510 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And I'd rather be here than in the kitchen because I'm sharing the house. 121 00:13:11.770 --> 00:13:19.519 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I don't want to have my housemate, you know. Don't don't come into the kitchen well, anyway. 122 00:13:19.820 --> 00:13:22.070 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so 123 00:13:22.100 --> 00:13:32.100 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: What I could do is I could get up and push this table right up against the bed, and then I'd have to, you know, flip the camera like that to see me standing up. 124 00:13:32.380 --> 00:13:39.979 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I could just do 2 steps left and 2 steps right. I mean, that's the extent of the physical movement that I have in this space. 125 00:13:40.400 --> 00:13:46.790 Leslie Roche: So I'm I've I've thought about it a couple of times, and it just keeps feeling impractical 126 00:13:47.250 --> 00:13:51.040 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to try and make it work on that level. 127 00:13:51.070 --> 00:13:57.809 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: One of the other mentors in in England has a huge living room. 128 00:13:59.300 --> 00:14:17.669 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: That she's been leading dance and zicker evenings in that living room for a long time, and that's where she did the class from. So she did break and got up, and she's a guitarist. So she play her guitar, and she and a couple of people that did come in person. 129 00:14:18.260 --> 00:14:21.940 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It was kind of a hybrid sort of a situation. 130 00:14:23.620 --> 00:14:25.210 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But 131 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:32.490 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, I would would love to have had had a larger space to do it in. 132 00:14:35.620 --> 00:14:42.459 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Oh, the the one other thing I wanted to say was about the amount of 133 00:14:43.640 --> 00:14:54.999 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: material, the amount and number of practices. I don't know whether, if if you remember it. But in one of the early videos in, I think 134 00:14:55.180 --> 00:15:04.339 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Wally is answering a question. he said. If I had been presenting this course to a single person. 135 00:15:04.630 --> 00:15:08.360 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it would have could have been completely different than what we're doing 136 00:15:08.660 --> 00:15:15.069 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: right. I remember targeted directly for that. And he said, because I knew I was going to be working with a group. 137 00:15:16.040 --> 00:15:28.309 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I included a lot of practices, because I knew not. Everybody resonates to each practice, so that there's a certain there's the core ones that that are pretty much. 138 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:36.800 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: you know, the rakib and the the daily meditation and the purification breaths of Kissab. 139 00:15:37.300 --> 00:15:45.639 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And you know they're going to carry all the way through the end. And then there's lots of variations on it depending. And and and he said, You know. 140 00:15:47.250 --> 00:15:48.880 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: go for what draws you. 141 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:57.150 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and dive into that. And then, you know, after a month, 2 months, or however long it is a week, whatever 142 00:15:57.170 --> 00:16:06.719 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: you may be drawn to something else. Dive into that for a while, but you know, whatever it is, don't feel the pressure that. Oh, my God, we've got to do this whole long list of practices. 143 00:16:08.540 --> 00:16:11.060 Leslie Roche: Right? Okay, it's good encouragement. 144 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:12.140 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. 145 00:16:12.370 --> 00:16:23.239 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. And it. I remember it's somewhere in one of his writings one of the the Sufi Message book books in Ayek Khan shares this memory of 146 00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:27.610 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: his teacher. He gave him one practice for 7 years. 147 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:36.659 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah, but he wasn't 75 years old, like I am. 148 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:46.159 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: No. And and you know the. So the psychology and the culture and the container in India is so different 149 00:16:47.580 --> 00:16:49.160 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: than it is in the West. 150 00:16:49.670 --> 00:16:57.170 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I mean this was was. He was here, though it was. It was in England and Europe and and in the States. 151 00:16:57.740 --> 00:17:00.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: 1910 to 1927, 152 00:17:01.410 --> 00:17:07.170 Leslie Roche: yeah. And also Hazard Night Khan was a musician. So we had added the practice 153 00:17:07.300 --> 00:17:11.199 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: continuously every day for hours. So yeah, yeah. 154 00:17:12.630 --> 00:17:18.779 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And he, he believed he was going to be able to give concerts and teach through music. 155 00:17:19.910 --> 00:17:25.049 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and nobody was. but nobody was receptive to it. They'd never heard Indian music before. 156 00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:29.610 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and they just there was no no foundation and no ground for it. 157 00:17:29.970 --> 00:17:34.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So, as the the story I've heard is somehow he hooked up with. 158 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:40.099 He came with his brother, a brother and a couple of uncles and cousins, and they were the 159 00:17:40.270 --> 00:17:43.089 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the Hindustani, something orchestra. 160 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:51.220 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and they had turbans, and they had robes, and then all of his weird Indian instruments Sitar with a long neck, and the Tubulas. 161 00:17:51.480 --> 00:18:03.470 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and he he connected with, and they traveled with Ruth St. Dennis, the American dance many times. Yeah. 162 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:04.800 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And 163 00:18:05.120 --> 00:18:25.520 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: in in the Indian way they'd spend. They'd spend a little little time tuning the instruments and with the tubbles. You've got this hammer and the little wedges, and you play it. Play it to know you got to tap that here. Now. Okay, and tap, tap the wedge on the other side and doing all this stuff, and everybody's sitting politely waiting. 164 00:18:25.910 --> 00:18:32.800 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then they finally are ready. They and he wanted to sit in meditation a little bit, to tune deeper and tune the hall. 165 00:18:33.060 --> 00:18:35.420 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and they thought that was the end of the musical concert. 166 00:18:35.900 --> 00:18:43.459 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: right? I've heard that story many times every time, and he realized that he had to meet the people where they were. 167 00:18:44.950 --> 00:18:58.289 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so he gave it up. And II, as you had said, I think, he continued, with his own practice every morning, and singing, but he never gave another concert after got to that point and realized he had to switch to lecturing. 168 00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:01.480 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: What was the practice he was given for 6 years. 169 00:19:01.760 --> 00:19:08.130 He he didn't mention it. It was it was. It was either a divine name or a mantra. He didn't say 170 00:19:08.380 --> 00:19:12.169 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I do that, I know I know. 171 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:20.530 and in I mean it was just a sentence and a half or 2 sentences, along with what else he was saying, and he he said that 172 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.879 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it took him that long to realize 173 00:19:25.260 --> 00:19:34.040 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: basically what the essence of the practice was that he did it. He did it loyally and and devotedly and steadfastly. 174 00:19:34.270 --> 00:19:42.169 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and not seeing what the point of it was, until finally, at that near the end of the 7 years, it was like, 175 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.789 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that's why he gave it to me. 176 00:19:47.040 --> 00:19:56.390 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: but I think in in many ways the the majority of the folks. myself included here here in the West are. 177 00:19:56.870 --> 00:20:02.619 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: We're used to a much faster pace of life. And there's a certain impatience 178 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.450 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that creeps in just because everything is moving so fast so that that there's 179 00:20:07.670 --> 00:20:13.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it's a lot of us don't have an appreciation, for silence is stillness. 180 00:20:15.770 --> 00:20:25.220 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I didn't at all. and it wasn't until I started. But late forties began coming into my 50 s. That I began to 181 00:20:25.700 --> 00:20:27.559 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: oh, well, alright! 182 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.339 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And I'd like to sit in silence for a little bit. 183 00:20:32.150 --> 00:20:34.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: but to try and offer 184 00:20:35.260 --> 00:20:38.300 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: offer a course where it's just going to be silenced. 185 00:20:39.630 --> 00:20:41.250 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Not too many people. 186 00:20:41.450 --> 00:20:45.169 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: least, not too many people new to the path are interested in doing that. 187 00:20:45.820 --> 00:20:49.929 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and from what I understand when he he gave the classes for his students. 188 00:20:50.310 --> 00:20:54.210 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: everybody arrived in silence. There was no talking at all. 189 00:20:54.820 --> 00:21:03.569 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: He would give the teaching and leave the practice, and then he would leave, and they'd sit in silence for a little while after that, and then they'd leave in silence 190 00:21:04.470 --> 00:21:08.470 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And great training. 191 00:21:09.650 --> 00:21:11.789 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But people have to be ready 192 00:21:11.850 --> 00:21:19.429 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to to do that So bit by bit. 193 00:21:20.590 --> 00:21:24.539 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: in the way that Rouhaniat's been approaching it, and I think Sufi order as well 194 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:30.150 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: ease into longer and longer periods of stillness and silence. 195 00:21:45.150 --> 00:21:47.310 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So you want to do some practice? 196 00:21:47.410 --> 00:21:49.309 Leslie Roche: Yeah, let's try something. 197 00:21:49.660 --> 00:21:50.690 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Okay. 198 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.089 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: any particular one 199 00:21:59.100 --> 00:22:00.250 Leslie Roche: you, too. 200 00:22:00.860 --> 00:22:01.670 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Okay. 201 00:22:04.620 --> 00:22:06.579 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: well, let's tune into our breathing. 202 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:13.750 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: into our own. And then for the zoom connection to each other, as if we actually were sitting in the same room. 203 00:22:42.380 --> 00:22:43.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Let's 204 00:22:46.120 --> 00:22:49.180 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: tune into our larger guidance. 205 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:54.709 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Using the words of the invocation as a focusing tool grounding tool 206 00:22:57.820 --> 00:22:59.810 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: toward the one. 207 00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:03.039 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the perfection of love. 208 00:23:03.670 --> 00:23:06.420 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: harmony. and beauty. 209 00:23:08.130 --> 00:23:09.430 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: lady. 210 00:23:10.710 --> 00:23:14.589 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: united with all the illuminated souls. 211 00:23:16.700 --> 00:23:18.640 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: form the embodiment. 212 00:23:19.770 --> 00:23:21.100 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the master 213 00:23:22.460 --> 00:23:23.390 message. 214 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:25.060 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: messenger. 215 00:23:27.730 --> 00:23:28.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: mystery. 216 00:23:29.780 --> 00:23:30.840 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: miracles 217 00:23:32.300 --> 00:23:33.530 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: of the mother. 218 00:23:35.360 --> 00:23:37.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the spirit of guidance. 219 00:23:47.750 --> 00:23:52.389 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I'm taking it into the breath progress with 220 00:23:52.440 --> 00:24:05.190 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: garment of light breathing practice, breathing, inhaling the first half of the braves. bringing it up as if it was a cloak or a garment and then wrapping it around a garment of protection 221 00:24:05.780 --> 00:24:08.240 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: guidance on the second half of the 222 00:25:14.930 --> 00:25:19.580 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and using yeah Rakhi to tune in more deeply to that 223 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:24.050 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: gentle, delicate, loving awareness. Space of 224 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.330 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: observing, of holding. 225 00:25:27.030 --> 00:25:29.310 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: watching over without 226 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.210 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: an expectation of a particular outcome. 227 00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:37.300 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. Rocky. 228 00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:41.390 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. The 229 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.599 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. Key. 230 00:25:46.770 --> 00:25:49.820 Leslie Roche: Yeah. 231 00:25:50.450 --> 00:26:00.600 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. He yeah. yeah, he. 232 00:26:01.610 --> 00:26:04.420 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. 233 00:26:05.390 --> 00:26:08.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. Hmm. 234 00:26:09.210 --> 00:26:12.290 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. 235 00:26:13.030 --> 00:26:15.910 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. Okay. 236 00:26:17.450 --> 00:26:21.950 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Taking it into the swing of the breath, inhaling it. exhale. 237 00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:28.119 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: relaxing more deeply into that gentle space of loving awareness. 238 00:27:28.760 --> 00:27:31.580 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then releasing the mental recitation. 239 00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:38.240 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: just breathing with the feeling, the quality, the essence of it. 240 00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:42.230 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Name that 241 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.700 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: energetic pattern 242 00:28:33.770 --> 00:28:35.780 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: moving on to 243 00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:39.409 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: toward the one breathing. 244 00:28:44.910 --> 00:28:49.179 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: tuning into the prana, the vitality that's 245 00:28:51.820 --> 00:28:58.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: freely available all through this space of breath, from the all-pervading light and space 246 00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:02.830 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: on the inhalation drawing in prana. 247 00:29:04.090 --> 00:29:06.390 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: accumulating it in the heart. 248 00:29:07.250 --> 00:29:11.030 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: charging the breath, charging the heart with this vitality. 249 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.140 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and on the exhalations send it through the whole body. 250 00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:32.639 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: letting it overflow from the heart and the body, radiating out the room of the exhalation. 251 00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:40.209 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: continuing to draw on the inhalations from that inexhaustible source 252 00:30:40.520 --> 00:30:43.610 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: of life, essence of light, of love. 253 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and sending it out farther. 254 00:31:31.300 --> 00:31:41.379 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: connecting the 2 of us in his Zoom session, and also including all of the other folks we travelled with over the past year. 255 00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:46.389 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: feeling that co-created 256 00:31:46.530 --> 00:31:49.500 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: container of charged breath. 257 00:32:29.340 --> 00:32:35.300 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then linking our charged breath current with the love that's in our hearts. 258 00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:53.629 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: breathing our own love out into the field. Life essence, said love. 259 00:33:24.590 --> 00:33:30.319 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: going deeper on the inhalations, linking our charged rest in our love. 260 00:33:31.370 --> 00:33:35.149 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: our individual love. Excuse me. 261 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.200 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: our individual love with the deeper loaths. 262 00:33:40.810 --> 00:33:42.920 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: God-goddest source 263 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:52.249 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: breathing that out, radiating it out in all directions on the exhalations. 264 00:33:54.040 --> 00:33:58.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: using the praise toward the law or Hola Ami 265 00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:03.390 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Natalia's the mind begins to wander. 266 00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:45.719 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: feeling that we're becoming agents. vehicles, channels for this divine love. 267 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:48.780 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: life, essence. 268 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:51.750 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: this light. 269 00:36:39.310 --> 00:36:41.570 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I am tuning in, too. 270 00:36:44.160 --> 00:36:49.090 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: some manifestational Divine mother. father of the world. 271 00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:52.340 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: on yam 272 00:36:53.490 --> 00:36:56.819 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Tara, mother Mary, whoever it may be. 273 00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:04.010 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that aspect permeating here. 274 00:37:06.620 --> 00:37:08.150 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: opening up to 275 00:37:09.890 --> 00:37:12.559 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: engage with breath. 276 00:37:16.660 --> 00:37:21.550 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: letting her see through our eyes here through our ears. 277 00:37:22.430 --> 00:37:24.579 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: breathe through our breath. 278 00:37:25.330 --> 00:37:28.019 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: holy, entire world. 279 00:37:29.720 --> 00:37:31.510 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: middle of this field. 280 00:37:33.610 --> 00:37:36.430 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: white life essence. 281 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:43.349 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: picking up our awareness of our physical bodies. 282 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.050 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: human embodiment, our personalities. 283 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:53.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: hell, flight. In the middle of this vast peal of love and light and life essence. 284 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.369 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: in a certain way, were anchored within our physical bodies 285 00:41:06.010 --> 00:41:09.519 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to be vehicles for her everyday human lives. 286 00:41:10.830 --> 00:41:14.230 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And yet we're still 287 00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:19.559 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: immersed in this ocean of bliss, this ocean of breath and love 288 00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:00.750 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: bring some healing energy through the body 289 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.550 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: 3 times, each breathing patterns 290 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:11.939 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: in and out for the nose. 291 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:16.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yasha fiyakati. 292 00:42:17.250 --> 00:42:21.059 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: healer source of all healing 293 00:42:21.770 --> 00:42:25.129 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: sufficient, every need, a remedy, or 294 00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:26.470 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: whatever 295 00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:29.430 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: he is needed in the moment, in and out, through the nose. 296 00:43:11.160 --> 00:43:13.720 in for the nose and out for the mouth. 297 00:43:15.130 --> 00:43:17.980 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. Shouty copy. 298 00:43:21.090 --> 00:43:23.999 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: healer source of all healing 299 00:43:25.330 --> 00:43:27.209 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: remedy is sufficient 300 00:43:27.550 --> 00:43:28.859 to every need. 301 00:43:40.130 --> 00:43:42.689 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Feel the breath moving through the body. 302 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:26.960 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the third pattern in through the mouth, out through the mouth. 303 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.559 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: drawing those healing energies through. 304 00:44:33.750 --> 00:44:36.689 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: making them available for whatever's needed. 305 00:44:37.780 --> 00:44:40.290 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yasha, yak, coffee. 306 00:45:41.850 --> 00:45:44.030 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Finally, in and out through the mouth. 307 00:45:47.690 --> 00:45:50.440 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: shouty coffee. 308 00:46:54.030 --> 00:46:55.660 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: completing 309 00:46:56.140 --> 00:46:59.250 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: purification grass with the prayer of my eyes. 310 00:47:00.790 --> 00:47:05.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: tuning in deeply to each of those 3 powers that get mentioned 311 00:47:05.550 --> 00:47:12.460 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: prayer. The rays of the sun, the waves in the air be all pervading life in space. 312 00:47:15.130 --> 00:47:17.650 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: We love it. barn. 313 00:47:19.470 --> 00:47:21.190 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Almighty God! 314 00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:26.299 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Through the rays of the sun. 315 00:47:38.450 --> 00:47:42.430 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: through the waves of the air. 316 00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:59.320 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: through the all-pervading life in space. 317 00:48:11.730 --> 00:48:13.640 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: purify. 318 00:48:14.830 --> 00:48:18.139 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: angry in the fire. 319 00:48:23.890 --> 00:48:30.399 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: purify and read in the fire. 320 00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:39.070 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: purify 321 00:48:40.290 --> 00:48:43.159 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and read the fire. 322 00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:51.119 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and we pray, heal our bodies. 323 00:48:51.670 --> 00:48:54.299 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: heart and soul. 324 00:49:00.110 --> 00:49:01.120 Man. 325 00:49:15.770 --> 00:49:18.600 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: or a few more breaths just sitting. 326 00:49:20.700 --> 00:49:23.710 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Observe it. feeling. 327 00:49:23.950 --> 00:49:26.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: noticing whatever may arise, for 328 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:31.159 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: nothing arises just lovingly noticing. 329 00:50:34.140 --> 00:50:36.189 actually letting the eyes open 330 00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:40.010 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: in the visual sense. 331 00:50:48.730 --> 00:50:50.380 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: remembering that it's 332 00:50:50.900 --> 00:50:55.219 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: all of the senses are very valuable for making our way through the world. 333 00:50:55.730 --> 00:50:57.709 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: living our everyday lives 334 00:51:00.090 --> 00:51:03.059 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: mostly, only bring us the surface 335 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:06.890 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: parents 336 00:51:06.910 --> 00:51:07.950 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: her eyes. 337 00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:11.759 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and that there's deeper under breath. 338 00:51:11.890 --> 00:51:13.620 Gauge looked deeper 339 00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:19.270 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: even while we're listening with her ears. seeing with her eyes 340 00:51:19.990 --> 00:51:23.520 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: feeling with harm. tactile senses. 341 00:51:41.700 --> 00:51:42.660 3 342 00:52:03.660 --> 00:52:06.309 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: you have a comment or observation. 343 00:52:11.370 --> 00:52:26.740 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I have trouble with beloved Lord Almighty God at this point in my life. Yeah, I'm I have been having more and more difficult with it. So. and I've been playing with other phrases like beloved Unity or 344 00:52:27.290 --> 00:52:31.439 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: something, and nothing feeling like really gets that's it. 345 00:52:32.600 --> 00:52:39.680 Leslie Roche: maybe all beloved beings. And 346 00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:43.290 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the consciousness that makes us one something. 347 00:52:43.390 --> 00:52:46.909 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. Yeah. And I experiment with it. Play with it. 348 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:48.950 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: See? What's gonna resonate? 349 00:52:49.410 --> 00:52:52.660 Leslie Roche: Okay, cool definitely. 350 00:52:55.220 --> 00:52:56.880 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Hi, Andy! 351 00:52:57.040 --> 00:52:58.220 Andy Cheffings: Hi, nurse. 352 00:52:59.210 --> 00:53:01.019 Leslie Roche: yay, glad you're here. 353 00:53:01.670 --> 00:53:07.820 Andy Cheffings: We're west back from the centre of the city to be here. 354 00:53:09.140 --> 00:53:16.629 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, and and we? We're we went on to summertime last weekend. 355 00:53:18.410 --> 00:53:23.499 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So we actually started an hour earlier than normal. 356 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.560 Andy Cheffings: right? Not till the end of the month, isn't it? Yeah. 357 00:53:46.020 --> 00:53:53.839 Andy Cheffings: Oh, well, I wouldn't. Well, I went to bed. So, anyway, except, as I say, I was in the center of center of town, so 358 00:53:59.620 --> 00:54:01.069 Andy Cheffings: we had a good session. 359 00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:05.800 Leslie Roche: Yeah, there's a recording. So you can listen. 360 00:54:05.980 --> 00:54:06.830 Andy Cheffings: Okay. 361 00:54:06.950 --> 00:54:08.220 Leslie Roche: After this 362 00:54:08.350 --> 00:54:15.710 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: deep, deep meditation for me. I don't know how it was for you last week. But I yeah, it was lovely. It was deep. 363 00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:19.070 Leslie Roche: you know. I wanted to say when you said that that 364 00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:24.769 Leslie Roche: people arrived in silence with positive icon, and he gave a teaching, and they 365 00:54:24.970 --> 00:54:30.100 Leslie Roche: departed in silence. I think that would almost work for us if you just 366 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:39.689 Leslie Roche: prep people for it, he just said, let's arrive in silos and see how that is listening to the teacher, do you think 367 00:54:39.700 --> 00:54:41.029 Leslie Roche: and practice. 368 00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:45.320 Leslie Roche: and then savor it in silence, and then let's pair. 369 00:54:45.450 --> 00:54:47.130 Leslie Roche: I'm sure it would work. 370 00:54:47.250 --> 00:54:50.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I think it would, too. We've got the preparation for it. 371 00:54:53.010 --> 00:54:58.349 Leslie Roche: I think anybody does cause like. When I was teaching in the public schools. I had a little 372 00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:01.189 Leslie Roche: time. and I would 373 00:55:01.220 --> 00:55:06.009 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: ring it and ask them to listen to the sound stop. 374 00:55:06.250 --> 00:55:09.470 Leslie Roche: and then they always wanted to hear it again. 375 00:55:09.570 --> 00:55:12.019 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so I would do it again. 376 00:55:12.250 --> 00:55:21.189 Leslie Roche: and then I would say, Now I'm going to do it when it's really hard for you when you're talking, so talk and get distracted, and then I do it. Of course they were really good at it. 377 00:55:21.730 --> 00:55:25.310 Leslie Roche: And then they said, Aha! Now I'm going to do it when you're not expecting it. 378 00:55:25.410 --> 00:55:36.409 Leslie Roche: and we'll see how how well that works, too. And they loved it. And they learned in that simple way. 379 00:55:36.520 --> 00:55:43.469 Leslie Roche: You know, I think we we make conceptual meditation, thinking things are hard that are really very simple. 380 00:55:43.570 --> 00:55:46.720 Leslie Roche: If you just put them in a playful. 381 00:55:46.910 --> 00:55:48.479 Leslie Roche: open way. 382 00:55:48.540 --> 00:55:50.270 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I agree. Yeah. 383 00:55:51.430 --> 00:55:52.920 Leslie Roche: here's my soapbox. 384 00:55:53.240 --> 00:55:54.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: anyway. 385 00:55:55.160 --> 00:56:01.660 Leslie Roche: And Andy, he asked me whatever practice I wanted to practice, so maybe you could choose a practice week. 386 00:56:04.350 --> 00:56:06.770 Andy Cheffings: Oh. 387 00:56:08.380 --> 00:56:09.500 Andy Cheffings: no pressure. 388 00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:16.200 Andy Cheffings: perhaps. Yeah. 389 00:56:19.570 --> 00:56:23.219 Andy Cheffings: Descent. The descent of the dove is a very beautiful thing. 390 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:28.729 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And that that crossed my heart. And while we were 391 00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:31.339 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: sort of in that process. We did, Leslie. 392 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.850 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so we could do it now. Yeah. 393 00:56:34.230 --> 00:56:37.780 Leslie Roche: yeah. Me, too. In the middle of it. I thought I would have rather done that. 394 00:56:37.830 --> 00:56:43.109 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: but it was really beautiful. Anyway. 395 00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:44.230 I have. 396 00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:48.760 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and II think that as 397 00:56:54.150 --> 00:56:55.780 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: as we move 398 00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:02.000 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: deeper and farther along our own path of 399 00:57:04.010 --> 00:57:05.380 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: waking up. 400 00:57:05.470 --> 00:57:11.420 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: becoming grand, or whatever whatever description we want to do with it. 401 00:57:12.720 --> 00:57:17.989 One of the things that happens naturally is that our intuitive. 402 00:57:18.540 --> 00:57:22.929 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: our our connection with our intuition, our our 403 00:57:23.120 --> 00:57:27.120 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: connection to the spirit of guidance, to use the Sufi term. 404 00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:30.540 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: gets stronger. and 405 00:57:30.940 --> 00:57:36.700 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: we don't always need to do whatever it is we're doing as practice in exactly the same way. 406 00:57:36.930 --> 00:57:47.410 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and we might have an inspiration that came in just like the the feeling. Either it'll arise or it'll it'll come from above and and and and come down 407 00:57:47.740 --> 00:57:50.120 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 408 00:57:50.730 --> 00:57:51.920 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I think 409 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.240 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: part of of the the challenge as human beings is 410 00:57:57.330 --> 00:58:02.130 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: is to be able to feel it, hear it, see it. 411 00:58:02.250 --> 00:58:03.460 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: perceive it. 412 00:58:04.660 --> 00:58:06.190 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then to follow it. 413 00:58:07.810 --> 00:58:13.980 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I know myself so, and and my experience with it is that if it comes as words. 414 00:58:14.180 --> 00:58:16.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It's very, very quiet. 415 00:58:17.690 --> 00:58:20.670 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: almost like a whisper, but inside 416 00:58:21.740 --> 00:58:28.720 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and other times it just arises as a feeling and a knowing of old. 417 00:58:29.540 --> 00:58:30.680 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: There it is. 418 00:58:31.720 --> 00:58:36.389 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I know in the beginning, for me 419 00:58:36.710 --> 00:58:38.479 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I often would discount it. 420 00:58:40.730 --> 00:58:52.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: notice it. But no, I'm focused over here. and I began to realize that was it. and I was aware that it came into the space with me. But I was 421 00:58:53.180 --> 00:59:02.390 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: focused on something else. And I just all right. Yeah, thanks for sharing. And I'm doing this. so I think 422 00:59:02.850 --> 00:59:09.290 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: there's a tremendous similarity with how we move through the practice. But everybody everybody's also unique 423 00:59:09.390 --> 00:59:16.890 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: in the way we move through it. and the conditionings we have, and our awareness and and 424 00:59:17.060 --> 00:59:20.800 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that whole complex of things that makes up our human embodiment. 425 00:59:22.220 --> 00:59:23.220 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But 426 00:59:24.450 --> 00:59:26.370 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: let's do the scent of the dove. 427 00:59:29.450 --> 00:59:35.550 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So we're gonna be breathing in. Who and seeing, feeling, perceiving 428 00:59:35.620 --> 00:59:42.360 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that dove-like form of guidance descending as we inhale, bring it through the crown 429 00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:44.649 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: down into the heart. 430 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:47.229 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then 431 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:53.940 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: draw, inscribe, see the divine name. However. 432 00:59:53.970 --> 01:00:00.980 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: we see it. Maybe it's a law. Maybe it's it's divine Mother, whatever it is, inscribed on the heart. 433 01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:04.740 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then exhaling Allah and letting it 434 01:00:05.090 --> 01:00:07.899 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: radiate in all directions with 435 01:00:08.200 --> 01:00:12.520 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the power of of creation, of unity. 436 01:09:32.990 --> 01:09:38.789 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: releasing the form of the visualization, several breaths just 437 01:09:40.930 --> 01:09:42.649 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: relaxing into 438 01:09:42.729 --> 01:09:44.740 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: sitting with feeling 439 01:09:45.350 --> 01:09:47.829 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the feeling of it, the essence of it. 440 01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:20.350 I mean. 441 01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:46.220 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: thank you for mentioning that 442 01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:58.150 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I'm I'm thankful I mentioned it. Thank you. You're welcome. and thank you, Leslie, for saying, Well, you know, what do you want to do now. 443 01:12:02.610 --> 01:12:04.679 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah, that was beautiful. 444 01:12:08.610 --> 01:12:13.920 Leslie Roche: I was wondering when you said, though, that you could instead of who Allah! You could 445 01:12:13.950 --> 01:12:17.460 Leslie Roche: imagine a Tara or semolina 446 01:12:18.500 --> 01:12:21.610 Leslie Roche: and raising. How would you do it if you did that. 447 01:12:28.120 --> 01:12:35.159 Leslie Roche: would you do? Who? And then. Bajantara. to who and then pay her mantra? 448 01:12:35.220 --> 01:12:37.810 Leslie Roche: Yeah. 449 01:12:39.300 --> 01:12:43.809 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I recommend experimenting with it and see what? See what works 450 01:12:52.330 --> 01:12:56.909 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: just feeling into. Now you're doing Dhara, to Dhara to race so 451 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:00.679 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: through the whole process. 452 01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:06.250 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And yeah, I don't think there's any one absolutely correct way. 453 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.990 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Oh. and the more the more we're able to feel into what the effect is 454 01:13:15.030 --> 01:13:20.179 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: we can kind of it's what is? It's like fine-tuning as we go along. 455 01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:25.190 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and it might change from day to day or from week to week. 456 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:41.180 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But I mean, ultimately. we're trying. We're working towards making our personality consciousness, our nuffs 457 01:13:42.250 --> 01:13:44.209 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: more and more transparent 458 01:13:45.350 --> 01:13:47.640 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and more and more 459 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:52.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: disengaged with the things that were kind of actively, really 460 01:13:54.180 --> 01:13:56.579 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: clinging to to focus on 461 01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:01.510 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and focusing is is great. But we also have to be able to let go of focus. 462 01:14:01.540 --> 01:14:02.650 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And that's 463 01:14:03.770 --> 01:14:05.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: go back into the larger 464 01:14:07.090 --> 01:14:08.550 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the larger sphere. 465 01:14:09.230 --> 01:14:11.759 Leslie Roche: Thanks. So you said 466 01:14:11.830 --> 01:14:16.290 Leslie Roche: When you were really upset, you could do who? Allah 467 01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:20.190 Leslie Roche: and I thought that was beautiful when you said that. 468 01:14:20.410 --> 01:14:25.360 Leslie Roche: And so now I'm wondering. I guess you could do it all day. Kind of right? 469 01:14:26.260 --> 01:14:27.859 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah, I think that moment. 470 01:14:28.370 --> 01:14:31.260 Leslie Roche: yeah, definitely create that 471 01:14:31.290 --> 01:14:34.570 Leslie Roche: dealing kind of or not. Is that too much? 472 01:14:36.150 --> 01:14:40.170 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: If it works. 473 01:14:41.660 --> 01:14:42.730 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: then 474 01:14:43.080 --> 01:14:45.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: use it, but stay engaged with it. 475 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:57.179 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: because what we don't want to do is is to to get to the point of being spaced out and not being able to be a person having the mind and heart of someone doing everyday life. 476 01:14:58.390 --> 01:15:00.050 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 477 01:15:00.380 --> 01:15:07.200 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: you know there's sort of a formal retreat where we leave our own home and and what we're doing and go somewhere. 478 01:15:07.510 --> 01:15:11.789 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and we dedicate time, and then we come back into everyday life. 479 01:15:12.260 --> 01:15:16.029 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But this other type of practice each time 480 01:15:16.150 --> 01:15:21.750 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: during the practice it's like a little mini retreat. We're sort of stepping out of normal consciousness and 481 01:15:23.070 --> 01:15:24.650 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: engaging with 482 01:15:24.700 --> 01:15:32.450 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: something that's deeper, vast, or more subtle. However, you want to say it, and then we pick up everyday life again. And 483 01:15:32.740 --> 01:15:39.929 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the way our human brains, how our unconscious mind compartmentalizes things! 484 01:15:41.940 --> 01:15:45.859 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It's there's a possibility of 485 01:15:47.250 --> 01:15:53.690 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: a separation happening between the practice period and the everyday consciousness. 486 01:15:54.110 --> 01:16:08.010 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And we want to try and not make that a big boundary. But just okay. I'm I'm doing this now. And now I'm doing this so that we can move back and forth between them, and particularly when there's a situation that pulls us off center 487 01:16:09.270 --> 01:16:13.330 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so that we're not anchored in in our deep center. 488 01:16:13.370 --> 01:16:16.130 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: We want to begin to to build the 489 01:16:19.900 --> 01:16:28.570 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the perception and the realization of Oh, I'm off center. And what can I do to get my back to center. 490 01:16:32.280 --> 01:16:33.020 Leslie Roche: Hmm! 491 01:16:38.950 --> 01:16:40.699 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: There's there's the 492 01:16:42.440 --> 01:16:44.909 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: a spiritual bypass is a real thing 493 01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:53.900 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to completely try and move out of the places where we're challenged and the things that are unpleasant and whatnot. 494 01:16:54.090 --> 01:16:59.990 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and just live in that other realm. And it's beautiful. and it can be very, very spiritual. 495 01:17:01.100 --> 01:17:07.660 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But it doesn't have the strength to 496 01:17:08.430 --> 01:17:13.529 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: be maintained when we actually have to do something in the outer world. 497 01:17:17.440 --> 01:17:25.780 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And that's one of the reasons I've I've seen the dances as as as kind of a bridge between the meditation cushion 498 01:17:26.200 --> 01:17:27.789 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and everyday life. 499 01:17:28.540 --> 01:17:40.289 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Because we're doing sort of every day things in the dances. We're taking people's hands. We're greeting people. We're turning around. We're walking forward, walking backwards. So lots of movement. 500 01:17:40.480 --> 01:17:46.170 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And yet we're still having that inner space of meditation. And then, including 501 01:17:46.750 --> 01:18:01.890 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Cassette. come anywhere near answering the question you asked. I don't have any idea it just flowed. 502 01:18:07.870 --> 01:18:16.750 Leslie Roche: Well, I think I was asking. You know how to bring the practice into everyday life is is what I was saying. 503 01:18:17.060 --> 01:18:18.110 Leslie Roche: And 504 01:18:19.750 --> 01:18:22.150 Leslie Roche: I didn't exactly get an answer to that. 505 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:26.890 Leslie Roche: you know. Like, if I'm on the computer right now. And I feel like, I'm thinking. 506 01:18:27.530 --> 01:18:29.239 Leslie Roche: should I just do a quick 507 01:18:29.570 --> 01:18:31.509 Leslie Roche: who Allah, and 508 01:18:31.630 --> 01:18:33.570 Leslie Roche: go back into a more heart thing? 509 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:35.610 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. 510 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:36.750 yeah. 511 01:18:38.140 --> 01:18:43.280 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Those of us that need to deal with word-related things. 512 01:18:44.180 --> 01:18:51.990 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It's pretty in my experience. It's pretty challenging to keep a mantra going while I'm thinking and trying to figure something out. 513 01:18:52.360 --> 01:18:59.890 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So one of the ways to to deal with the fact that those spaces don't easily merge is to have little breaks. 514 01:19:02.180 --> 01:19:03.840 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and, you know moment 515 01:19:04.570 --> 01:19:08.700 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: dive into the essence. Ok, then come back to the the digital 516 01:19:09.430 --> 01:19:14.519 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: keyboard and whatever. And then I had 517 01:19:17.330 --> 01:19:30.949 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: was using a one of the Zen bell apps to to make the chime every 15 min. so I would take a second, and I'd do a conscious breath and whatnot. 518 01:19:31.570 --> 01:19:32.890 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 519 01:19:34.070 --> 01:19:44.249 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I don't. I don't think I'm I'm very unique in this process. I eventually stopped hearing it ring, even though the phone was sitting right beside me, cause I was involved in what I was doing 520 01:19:44.460 --> 01:19:51.199 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: on the computer. And I it was kind of a music thing yet, right, you know, tuned it out. 521 01:19:51.470 --> 01:19:58.479 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And at at first couple times, I thought, well, it hasn't run for me, is is the app does. Do I need to start it again? You know. 522 01:19:58.650 --> 01:20:01.320 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: all of a sudden I know you're just tuning it out. 523 01:20:01.490 --> 01:20:13.709 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: II had a few momentary feelings during that descent of the dove 524 01:20:14.380 --> 01:20:15.370 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: where 525 01:20:18.350 --> 01:20:19.640 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I'm the dove. 526 01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:27.320 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I'm drawing it down. But I'm also the self coming down. And the moment that I 527 01:20:28.700 --> 01:20:42.330 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: focused enough in that realm to have the thought, Oh, becoming the dove, then I didn't feel it anymore. It was an idea. It was a concept. But it was just kind of just moving back and forth over that edge of 528 01:20:42.750 --> 01:20:45.260 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Whoa. This like I couldn't. 529 01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:48.209 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I could become the dove with enough practice. 530 01:20:48.580 --> 01:20:55.829 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I definitely felt it sitting in my heart horizontally, with with the wings spread out as as I was then exhaling. 531 01:20:56.070 --> 01:20:57.340 Leslie Roche: Oh. 532 01:20:59.580 --> 01:21:04.570 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so II it feels like, please please go ahead. Say it. 533 01:21:04.900 --> 01:21:13.690 Leslie Roche: I didn't know you. You brought it down and then let the wings spread out. I thought you, and then I'll 534 01:21:13.740 --> 01:21:15.940 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: they just did. 535 01:21:16.790 --> 01:21:19.530 Leslie Roche: But you can visualize it that way if you want. 536 01:21:19.790 --> 01:21:20.650 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Yeah. 537 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:27.460 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. And at a certain point, when we dive deeply into deeply enough into a practice 538 01:21:27.490 --> 01:21:36.739 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: where we're not really controlling every aspect of it, you know, according to the directions. There is a place where it can become interactive. 539 01:21:38.270 --> 01:21:40.230 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then it becomes 540 01:21:40.620 --> 01:21:55.559 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: more. It becomes more of a meditation, a contemplation, than just a concentration, because in a concentration you want to. you want to hold whatever it is you're concentrating on steady and breathing the magnetism of your breath into it, to charge it. 541 01:21:56.170 --> 01:21:58.659 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and then at the end of that utilit you release it. 542 01:21:58.870 --> 01:22:04.480 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and and just let it go. But 543 01:22:05.740 --> 01:22:08.190 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the 544 01:22:08.730 --> 01:22:26.300 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: there is a space we can enter into with whatever we're meditating on concentrating on engaging with where we're holding it. holding the process lightly enough that we're were willing to let let it go. 545 01:22:26.730 --> 01:22:29.860 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: letting hell. I want to say this. 546 01:22:30.460 --> 01:22:36.670 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to allow it to move and to breathe, and to begin to shift and change a little bit. 547 01:22:36.930 --> 01:22:55.109 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I mean a part of that is, the creative imagination is engaging with it, too, and if if we're not sufficiently in in our deep heart, and if we don't have, and we haven't accumulated enough prana like that with it. 548 01:22:55.950 --> 01:23:00.179 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It could go off into daydreaming and imagining and whatnot. 549 01:23:00.480 --> 01:23:05.169 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But this this other space is different. It's it's actually a very. 550 01:23:06.470 --> 01:23:09.050 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: It's a subtle interaction 551 01:23:09.070 --> 01:23:10.930 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and a going with oh. 552 01:23:11.060 --> 01:23:13.420 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: it could do this, or how about that? 553 01:23:14.330 --> 01:23:22.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And I didn't at all, there was no mental process of you know. Well, what if if the dog landed my heart and spread the wings out? 554 01:23:22.170 --> 01:23:24.199 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I just felt the dove there. 555 01:23:27.620 --> 01:23:28.310 Leslie Roche: Yeah. 556 01:23:36.710 --> 01:23:40.599 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And you know, in the, in the attunement with one of the 557 01:23:40.910 --> 01:23:42.820 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: illuminated souls. 558 01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:46.419 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: one of the things that's possible 559 01:23:47.080 --> 01:24:00.169 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: along the lines of Okay, what would it be like to look through Kuan Yin's eyes and to feel. to walk with Kuan Yin's legs and feet, and to to to extend Kuan Yad's arms. 560 01:24:00.650 --> 01:24:07.870 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So there's there's that that bit of of creative imagination. But it's also meditation. It's also contemplation. 561 01:24:08.340 --> 01:24:13.430 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And then is that place where? Okay? It's no longer me 562 01:24:14.070 --> 01:24:20.279 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: little me in my little mind, following the the steps of the of the instructions. 563 01:24:20.390 --> 01:24:23.410 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: but actually an engagement with 564 01:24:26.850 --> 01:24:32.050 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: with a level of consciousness, a being of another dimension 565 01:24:34.040 --> 01:24:35.100 that 566 01:24:36.750 --> 01:24:40.629 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: we're we're working to open to so that we can. 567 01:24:41.140 --> 01:24:43.670 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: we can move with it. That's worth it. 568 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:45.930 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So make sense. 569 01:24:50.730 --> 01:24:51.640 Wow! 570 01:24:55.290 --> 01:25:02.849 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And through what I've experienced with Rakhi, and that that that way of watching the breath 571 01:25:04.980 --> 01:25:15.799 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: years. But years ago I learned the process of watching a breath years ago. But the way I'm doing it now is so much more gentle. 572 01:25:16.100 --> 01:25:29.090 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so much more refined. and there's so much less doing in the watching of the breath. And it was kind of effective to help me ground and come back to center, and what not, the way I was doing it before. 573 01:25:29.910 --> 01:25:30.630 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: but 574 01:25:31.660 --> 01:25:37.289 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: from from what I was saying before. I guess maybe I'd have to word it by saying it's more interactive now. 575 01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:42.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And you know there's that that that 576 01:25:43.090 --> 01:25:52.629 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: saying that you want to get to the point where the the the zicker or the prayer or the mantra does you rather than us doing the mantra? 577 01:25:59.620 --> 01:26:00.480 Leslie Roche: Yeah. 578 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.940 it's funny. Many years ago at a meditation retreat. 579 01:26:04.080 --> 01:26:08.410 Leslie Roche: I was he. He was an experimental kind of person. 580 01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.170 Leslie Roche: and he let us express feelings and stuff, and 581 01:26:12.290 --> 01:26:22.319 Leslie Roche: I was lying on the ground outside, and I was listening to this most beautiful music I'd ever heard. and he came up to me and he said, what are you singing? 582 01:26:23.740 --> 01:26:27.949 Leslie Roche: And I was totally unaware that I was singing. I really felt like. 583 01:26:28.070 --> 01:26:29.529 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: right? So I think 584 01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:31.000 Leslie Roche: that's the kind of 585 01:26:32.410 --> 01:26:33.230 yeah. 586 01:26:33.480 --> 01:26:45.310 Leslie Roche: And also And this is like in my 20 s. And I'm really old now. But also, if you let go in that retreat because there was this open space. 587 01:26:45.730 --> 01:26:54.520 Leslie Roche: my body would go through movement to purify it. This spontaneously, and memories would come up, and 588 01:26:54.670 --> 01:26:56.050 Leslie Roche: things would clear out. 589 01:26:56.420 --> 01:26:59.420 Leslie Roche: So I understand what you're talking about. 590 01:26:59.480 --> 01:27:01.930 Leslie Roche: but it hasn't happened since then. 591 01:27:02.380 --> 01:27:04.629 I think it does need to know. 592 01:27:08.690 --> 01:27:14.450 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I think there are lots of portals into that space. 593 01:27:16.370 --> 01:27:21.870 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I don't. I don't think it only happens in one way and the same way for all people. 594 01:27:23.210 --> 01:27:26.160 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 595 01:27:30.940 --> 01:27:33.490 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, I think part of 596 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:36.440 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: part of that developing 597 01:27:38.190 --> 01:27:40.150 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: witness consciousness 598 01:27:40.200 --> 01:27:44.299 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: as well as learning how to be more 599 01:27:44.480 --> 01:27:49.119 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: then. and to do less in these realms. 600 01:27:51.150 --> 01:28:00.309 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: That in itself will open a portal, and it may not be the same as it was 20 years ago, or 60 years ago, or 5 min ago. 601 01:28:00.630 --> 01:28:05.759 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: because the whole, the whole space, is alive, and I think we forget that. 602 01:28:07.310 --> 01:28:09.830 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But the whole space is alive. 603 01:28:13.510 --> 01:28:15.809 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and because. 604 01:28:17.150 --> 01:28:22.909 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: la la la, la! La! There's only unity here, everything is made out of that. That 605 01:28:23.500 --> 01:28:25.950 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: unbelievable oneness. 606 01:28:26.860 --> 01:28:30.930 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: no matter where we go and what we do. everything goes there. 607 01:28:32.710 --> 01:28:40.540 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and the only thing that prevents the one thing that prevents it is our mental ideas about it. and the limitations 608 01:28:40.620 --> 01:28:51.969 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: on our awareness that we have, through our conditioning and through our past experience, and through our expectations, and all of those sorts of mental and emotional and psychological things. 609 01:28:52.290 --> 01:28:57.280 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: so learning 610 01:28:57.650 --> 01:29:04.180 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to slow everything down, to quiet down, to get calm, to get really really refined. 611 01:29:07.370 --> 01:29:18.619 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I don't know what metaphor to use increases the magnification increases our our subtle hearing, and places our subtle sight to see the cues and the 612 01:29:18.900 --> 01:29:22.170 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the signposts and the the 613 01:29:22.470 --> 01:29:26.139 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: for. And now I'm I'm I'm getting this image of 614 01:29:26.160 --> 01:29:35.450 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: going along a path. And gradually the path isn't distinct anymore, and kind of fades into grass. And where'd the path go? But 615 01:29:35.930 --> 01:29:39.280 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: some trackers can still see where the animal went 616 01:29:39.320 --> 01:29:45.520 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: by the blades of grass that are bent and whatnot, but it takes it takes this beautiful. 617 01:29:46.020 --> 01:29:49.190 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: delicate concentration and tuning in 618 01:29:49.670 --> 01:29:53.409 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: to what's already there, that that maybe we're just 619 01:29:53.790 --> 01:29:55.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: not seeing. 620 01:30:07.300 --> 01:30:08.360 please. 621 01:30:13.170 --> 01:30:25.189 Andy Cheffings: I think I've spent most of this yeah, just sort of calming migraine. Yeah. that's in the main thing, I think. Well, I don't have a very calm brain. 622 01:30:25.930 --> 01:30:33.000 Andy Cheffings: very uncommon. and in a subconscious level, really. And I think, 623 01:30:33.770 --> 01:30:45.300 Andy Cheffings: Carmen, the subconscious mind is quite is quite, is quite a long process, not necessarily a hard process, but a long process. That's been my experience. 624 01:30:45.450 --> 01:30:59.149 Andy Cheffings: And I think what's been good about these group things is that then I actually get to do the practices. If you see what I mean. I do the practices of my own, but it's more about just calming my subconscious mind, and when we actually do it together, I then get the experience 625 01:30:59.410 --> 01:31:15.769 Andy Cheffings: of the of the practice in a more concentrated way, as the practice, rather than just as calm in my mind. So that was like coming coming to this this evening. So you did the descent of the devil because I was doing it with you and Lesley. Then 626 01:31:15.970 --> 01:31:20.860 Andy Cheffings: Then I was actually able to do the practice rather than it just being a 627 01:31:21.020 --> 01:31:29.709 Andy Cheffings: a mind calming right thing. The mind calming is very, very important. There's no no good. You can't do anything great if your mind's not calm. So right 628 01:31:29.730 --> 01:31:31.020 Andy Cheffings: it's 629 01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:35.840 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and there, there definitely is a synergistic effect. When we do things in group 630 01:31:37.730 --> 01:31:43.919 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and gradually over time doing things in a group improves the way we do it alone. 631 01:31:45.940 --> 01:31:58.400 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And and then there's so much of it is about clearing what's in the way. and that's mostly the psychological impressions and the beliefs and the concepts and whatnot. 632 01:31:59.170 --> 01:32:02.000 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I can remember 633 01:32:08.210 --> 01:32:10.860 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: if I'm trying to remember when it stopped. 634 01:32:13.080 --> 01:32:17.410 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: but before it stopped what this it was 635 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:22.360 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: was there was a level of my mind that 636 01:32:23.230 --> 01:32:30.090 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: spoke all of my thoughts aloud in my head, so it was like an announcer announcing. 637 01:32:30.270 --> 01:32:33.179 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I don't know whether you, if 638 01:32:34.250 --> 01:32:36.919 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: if you've encountered the 639 01:32:37.080 --> 01:32:55.109 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the, the loudspeakers in train stations and in in bus stations announcing the departing buses and the coming buses. And we're sorry, but the next bus that's coming up, and that and I hadn't heard it in those situations because of the boards that have all the stuff digitally. 640 01:32:55.130 --> 01:33:00.049 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: But when I went to India for and I ate countsource in in 2010, traveling 641 01:33:00.090 --> 01:33:10.140 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: around India. In the train stations there was this constant announcement of what was coming up, and and then the apologies, and where we we deeply regret 642 01:33:10.190 --> 01:33:18.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that the train you're waiting for is is been delayed, or whatever it is. But that was my internal space all the time. It never stopped. 643 01:33:19.110 --> 01:33:25.399 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I also could think part of it, and then talk and whatnot, and I thought I could multitask in that way. 644 01:33:25.550 --> 01:33:29.489 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I really couldn't. But it took 645 01:33:29.660 --> 01:33:34.899 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: for me, and I don't know. This may be just my unique process. 646 01:33:37.130 --> 01:33:46.160 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I needed to get into psychological clearing. and once I started diving into all of the stuff that I pushed down. 647 01:33:47.610 --> 01:33:49.810 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and releasing that 648 01:33:49.910 --> 01:33:52.270 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that announcing voice. 649 01:33:53.320 --> 01:33:55.060 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: just us. It's gone. 650 01:33:55.290 --> 01:33:59.349 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: happens sometimes, but it's the constant, constant constant is gone. 651 01:34:00.350 --> 01:34:17.590 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And I had a flash I thought of it. I think I'm I'm remembering seeing my face in the mirror, so maybe I was brushing my teeth and shading, or something about 2 weeks ago. I just happened to think about that. 652 01:34:18.130 --> 01:34:19.160 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and 653 01:34:19.320 --> 01:34:25.979 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: think about how it was connected. Connected. From the the point of view of of our our internal 654 01:34:26.140 --> 01:34:32.469 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: processes often are protectors to to work to keep us safe. 655 01:34:33.010 --> 01:34:44.770 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And I tied that to the feeling that I had as a little kid of of not being grounded, not not having wanted to come here. 656 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:56.010 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: not feeling safe, even though there was no violence. And there wasn't any drug use or alcohol, you know, and none of that in the external. But I did not feel safe in my body. 657 01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:08.209 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And there was a part that figured out. Okay, I need to learn things and learn what the rules are, and be able to say the rules, so that I know, and so that I can keep things safe. So and I think, Wow. 658 01:35:08.330 --> 01:35:16.699 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: there's the motivation there to just lay it all out and remind myself, and to tell other people. 659 01:35:18.830 --> 01:35:20.289 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: And I 660 01:35:20.650 --> 01:35:28.990 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I don't think I would like the person that I was very young and teenage and young adult very much 661 01:35:29.770 --> 01:35:31.369 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that was bossy. 662 01:35:31.790 --> 01:35:35.219 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I knew what was right, and I wanted everybody else to know it. 663 01:35:35.350 --> 01:35:46.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and one of the here's true confessions. Now, are you aware of the the TV program? Big Bang theory? 664 01:35:48.240 --> 01:35:50.099 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Okay. So 665 01:35:50.890 --> 01:35:55.980 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: the main character is incredibly intelligent, but he's purely mental 666 01:35:56.430 --> 01:36:03.020 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: shut. No, you know, shut down. It's just just a pure mentality, and he's insufferable 667 01:36:03.090 --> 01:36:08.009 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: because he believes he's smarter than everybody else, and everybody needs to be told when they're stupid. 668 01:36:09.300 --> 01:36:14.970 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I see certain aspects of the person I used to be in him, and it's really uncomfortable 669 01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:17.860 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: seeing it right? It's oh, my God. 670 01:36:18.070 --> 01:36:19.090 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah. 671 01:36:19.790 --> 01:36:25.540 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I said something like that at some point to somebody. 672 01:36:26.320 --> 01:36:33.060 Leslie Roche: I have to go, because I promise my partner I would go with. I listen to the recording for the 673 01:36:34.930 --> 01:36:36.620 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: oh, you just turn your mic off. 674 01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:46.690 Leslie Roche: I'll listen to the recording for the rest. And I think when these a lot of us are like that in our twenties and team. So you know alone. 675 01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:53.349 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, yeah, well, I didn't want to project on anyone else. 676 01:36:55.110 --> 01:36:55.900 Yeah. 677 01:36:57.620 --> 01:37:00.249 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: thanks so much for for your input, Leslie. 678 01:37:01.230 --> 01:37:04.660 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: So there we are. 679 01:37:05.490 --> 01:37:10.350 Andy Cheffings: Well, sorry. I arrived late. I had no idea the the time change. It happened. So 680 01:37:10.450 --> 01:37:16.510 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: yeah, it's always a bit awkward, because we we go early and we stay later. 681 01:37:16.740 --> 01:37:19.080 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: Then then the UK. And Europe. 682 01:37:19.330 --> 01:37:26.249 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: and I end up having to to actually check to see. Okay. 683 01:37:27.690 --> 01:37:35.780 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: are they? An hour earlier or hour later? And yeah, I get all all muddled with trying to figure it out. 684 01:37:35.890 --> 01:37:38.430 Andy Cheffings: And yeah. 685 01:37:38.690 --> 01:37:48.530 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: well, I mean, I'm just glad that you're still there. So yeah, yeah, I'm I'm glad you did drop in here. So yeah, thank you for for the 686 01:37:48.900 --> 01:38:02.720 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I think that may have been the deepest experience I've had, you know. Here I am comparing, but it was a very deep experience with the scent of the dove, and I had never felt becoming the dove, or felt the dove in my heart 687 01:38:02.860 --> 01:38:03.870 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: that way 688 01:38:03.970 --> 01:38:07.130 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: which was really lovely. So thank you. 689 01:38:08.050 --> 01:38:08.750 Well. 690 01:38:08.980 --> 01:38:11.619 Andy Cheffings: thank you. My pleasure. 691 01:38:12.730 --> 01:38:29.059 Andy Cheffings: Yeah, no, it's yeah. It's been a bit bit of a hectic week. So it's it's really nice to to. But my subconscious is doing goodness knows what it's doing. Then, if you have that sometimes. But sometimes my conscious is fine, but the subconscious is doing 692 01:38:29.670 --> 01:38:31.839 Andy Cheffings: weird stuff, and I just don't know what's 693 01:38:31.910 --> 01:38:48.050 Andy Cheffings: what triggered it. Constant religious organization problems. I don't know why. but I finally put in a complaint a week ago about what has happened at the October thing. 694 01:38:48.350 --> 01:38:55.519 Andy Cheffings: because some some information came to light which I found quite troubling. I thought about do something. 695 01:38:55.700 --> 01:39:06.219 Andy Cheffings: So that's what's causing it to do it. But I don't know. I don't really know what is what is what it's up to. So I'm just sort of let's get do it's thing. But it's not very comfortable. 696 01:39:06.350 --> 01:39:15.369 Andy Cheffings: Yeah. But that was really good, because I think, because of the power of the group. And I was able to sort of really get into that practice. And 697 01:39:15.490 --> 01:39:24.200 Andy Cheffings: yeah, it was. It was good experience. So I was very grateful. Oh, this is good. 698 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:25.710 Andy Cheffings: Yeah. 699 01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:31.630 Muiz-N. Calif, USA: I'm going to stop the recording.